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		<title>Comment on NCCN Climate Change, Crisis or Catastrophe? by Ricky Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2010/07/12/nccn-climate-change-crisis-or-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Ward</dc:creator>
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		<description>NCCN Meeting Notes for Wednesday, July 21st
Attending--- Kirk, Jere, Caroline, Ja, Aew and Duongchan.
*** Name change—we approved change to Northern Climate Crisis Network. We might also add tagline.                                                                                                                                                            *** Mayor meeting---- There was a short report on the previous Mayor’s meeting which seemed hopeful in terms of getting him to adopt some of our agenda. The main two items to be discussed with him will be Water Management and Traffic Management.                                                                    Under Water the main items will be the Mae Kha Canal, water quality, showing of the Story of Bottled Water(if ready in Thai).  Under Traffic there were many items in our group discussion including—traffic management, bikes, training for bikes, public transport, sidewalks, red truck owners, samlaw support, foot paths, schools buses, water taxis and others.                          
 ***Alex—we decided to allocated 15 minutes for his campaign idea at the next meeting                            *** Monthly Meetings----- at the August 4th meeting we will set schedule and topics for coming. Tentatively we set September 10th as the first monthly meeting. Jere will contact Tomoko to see what her ideas are for topics. NCCN will have to do much of the planning and organizing of the events.                                                                                                                                                          *** Arriving at consensus about NCCN—we decided to skip this item because, after a short discussion, we thought that we were arriving at consensus just by the process of talking about various projects and events.                                                                                                                              ***10-10-10 --- Jere gave short report. He did letter to NGO’s but Steve suggested substantial changes. Jere will make changes and get it to Steve and others for comment.                                                ***E-News------ group gave permission to Kirk and Jere to produce e-news. Ja will forward to city’s website. Ricky can put it at Our Chiang Mai if he wants. Everyone wanted openness to accepting articles and event notices from NCCN members and others in the community. Group wanted as many articles as possible in Thai.                                                                                                        ***50,000 baht--- this is available for someone who might want to write proposal now and have event and report about it by the end of September. Contact Duongchan if you are interested.           ***Other events---- Caroline told us about a Wed, Sept. 1st anniversary at a local school. They will have an area for environmental awareness. In our talk about this event and other possible ones we came up with a list of topics about which we might develop handouts--- Climate and drought; fire/burning; emissions; general climate; food security and nutritional health, and water.                        ***Next meeting—Wednesday, August 4th, 5:30. People will bring food so we can eat and talk, thus, hopefully, not being so rushed. Expecting and hoping for more Thai’s attending this meeting we thought that we might need more translation at this meeting. We also thought we might have a short written history of NCCN sent out with Tentative Agenda. Aew will send to Jere what Duongchan and her have produced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCCN Meeting Notes for Wednesday, July 21st<br />
Attending&#8212; Kirk, Jere, Caroline, Ja, Aew and Duongchan.<br />
*** Name change—we approved change to Northern Climate Crisis Network. We might also add tagline.                                                                                                                                                            *** Mayor meeting&#8212;- There was a short report on the previous Mayor’s meeting which seemed hopeful in terms of getting him to adopt some of our agenda. The main two items to be discussed with him will be Water Management and Traffic Management.                                                                    Under Water the main items will be the Mae Kha Canal, water quality, showing of the Story of Bottled Water(if ready in Thai).  Under Traffic there were many items in our group discussion including—traffic management, bikes, training for bikes, public transport, sidewalks, red truck owners, samlaw support, foot paths, schools buses, water taxis and others.<br />
 ***Alex—we decided to allocated 15 minutes for his campaign idea at the next meeting                            *** Monthly Meetings&#8212;&#8211; at the August 4th meeting we will set schedule and topics for coming. Tentatively we set September 10th as the first monthly meeting. Jere will contact Tomoko to see what her ideas are for topics. NCCN will have to do much of the planning and organizing of the events.                                                                                                                                                          *** Arriving at consensus about NCCN—we decided to skip this item because, after a short discussion, we thought that we were arriving at consensus just by the process of talking about various projects and events.                                                                                                                              ***10-10-10 &#8212; Jere gave short report. He did letter to NGO’s but Steve suggested substantial changes. Jere will make changes and get it to Steve and others for comment.                                                ***E-News&#8212;&#8212; group gave permission to Kirk and Jere to produce e-news. Ja will forward to city’s website. Ricky can put it at Our Chiang Mai if he wants. Everyone wanted openness to accepting articles and event notices from NCCN members and others in the community. Group wanted as many articles as possible in Thai.                                                                                                        ***50,000 baht&#8212; this is available for someone who might want to write proposal now and have event and report about it by the end of September. Contact Duongchan if you are interested.           ***Other events&#8212;- Caroline told us about a Wed, Sept. 1st anniversary at a local school. They will have an area for environmental awareness. In our talk about this event and other possible ones we came up with a list of topics about which we might develop handouts&#8212; Climate and drought; fire/burning; emissions; general climate; food security and nutritional health, and water.                        ***Next meeting—Wednesday, August 4th, 5:30. People will bring food so we can eat and talk, thus, hopefully, not being so rushed. Expecting and hoping for more Thai’s attending this meeting we thought that we might need more translation at this meeting. We also thought we might have a short written history of NCCN sent out with Tentative Agenda. Aew will send to Jere what Duongchan and her have produced.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Railway Park &#8211; Community Forest Planting, Stage 2 by Ricky Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2010/07/14/railway-park-community-forest-planting-stage-2/comment-page-1/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea sent this coment:

I thoroughly enjoyed it. check out the website: http://www.thebestfriend.org/2010/07/18/planting-trees-for-democracy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea sent this coment:</p>
<p>I thoroughly enjoyed it. check out the website: <a href="http://www.thebestfriend.org/2010/07/18/planting-trees-for-democracy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebestfriend.org/2010/07/18/planting-trees-for-democracy/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Railway Park &#8211; Community Forest Planting, Stage 2 by Ricky Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2010/07/14/railway-park-community-forest-planting-stage-2/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today, Thursday 15th, City workers kindly dug 150 holes for our Sunday tree planting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Thursday 15th, City workers kindly dug 150 holes for our Sunday tree planting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Athenian Democracy comes to Chiang Mai &#8211; 4:30 pm 8th July 2010 by Ricky Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2010/06/30/athenian-democracy-comes-to-chiang-mai-430-pm-8th-july-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended this meeting but missed much due to my bad Thai.

As for a meeting venue: The room used is designed as a council chamber with air conditioning, microphones for 20 or so participants and limited seating.
The room is not suitable for a meeting the general public is invited to which could easily bring in 200 or more and needs to be moved elsewhere.
Various suggestions were put forward and if the city, as it appears has no Town Hall the town is replete with large churches, temples and educational halls which would be suitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended this meeting but missed much due to my bad Thai.</p>
<p>As for a meeting venue: The room used is designed as a council chamber with air conditioning, microphones for 20 or so participants and limited seating.<br />
The room is not suitable for a meeting the general public is invited to which could easily bring in 200 or more and needs to be moved elsewhere.<br />
Various suggestions were put forward and if the city, as it appears has no Town Hall the town is replete with large churches, temples and educational halls which would be suitable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NCCN Climate Change, Crisis or Catastrophe? by Ricky Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2010/07/12/nccn-climate-change-crisis-or-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also a suggestion for joining the English 10-10 campaign about cutting emissions. I thought it sounded promising but then saw the following:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/06/1010-progress-carbon-emissions

Frankly it made me shudder, not so much because 10% emissions cuts are a joke compared to the 90% required, but what unbelievably wasteful lives people lead. e.g. Why do playwrights and novelists have to fly about? And then they are proud of themselves for doing the same a little less.
The folk from climate justice might be inclined to say &quot;Why should I move from a motor bike to a bicycle when some rich guy moves from an Aston Martin to some other car which eats far more fuel than my motor bike?&quot;
Is this the right model for Chiang Mai?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also a suggestion for joining the English 10-10 campaign about cutting emissions. I thought it sounded promising but then saw the following:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/06/1010-progress-carbon-emissions" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/06/1010-progress-carbon-emissions</a></p>
<p>Frankly it made me shudder, not so much because 10% emissions cuts are a joke compared to the 90% required, but what unbelievably wasteful lives people lead. e.g. Why do playwrights and novelists have to fly about? And then they are proud of themselves for doing the same a little less.<br />
The folk from climate justice might be inclined to say &#8220;Why should I move from a motor bike to a bicycle when some rich guy moves from an Aston Martin to some other car which eats far more fuel than my motor bike?&#8221;<br />
Is this the right model for Chiang Mai?</p>
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		<title>Comment on NCCN Climate Change, Crisis or Catastrophe? by Ricky Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2010/07/12/nccn-climate-change-crisis-or-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the person who originally suggested we stop using the term promoted by George W. Bush namely &quot;Climate Change&quot; in favour of &quot;Climate Crisis&quot; I would say lets do so now before the 3rd word becomes operative Worldwide namely &quot;Catastrophe&quot;.
 
I am pleased to see a collective eagerness to act together ane meet again soon but expect once again I will be out of town on 21st.
Please note the following day 22nd July is International Biodiversity Day and there is no greater threat to biodiversity than the Hot Earth we talk about in Thailand.
 
A note of warning about drought. This year Yunnan &amp; Lanna have drought but 3 years ago we had a record (90 year flood). While it appears weather systems are moving rains northward with greater flooding in northern USA central Europe and middle China, meteoroligists have yet to make conclusions about this and we would be better not to jump.  Water conservation is sensible for obvious reasons- especially by stopping burning forest leaf litter. But except for this last point concentration on this issue will be counterproductive for our efforts to hugely reduce fossil fuel use - here and in industrialised countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the person who originally suggested we stop using the term promoted by George W. Bush namely &#8220;Climate Change&#8221; in favour of &#8220;Climate Crisis&#8221; I would say lets do so now before the 3rd word becomes operative Worldwide namely &#8220;Catastrophe&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am pleased to see a collective eagerness to act together ane meet again soon but expect once again I will be out of town on 21st.<br />
Please note the following day 22nd July is International Biodiversity Day and there is no greater threat to biodiversity than the Hot Earth we talk about in Thailand.</p>
<p>A note of warning about drought. This year Yunnan &#038; Lanna have drought but 3 years ago we had a record (90 year flood). While it appears weather systems are moving rains northward with greater flooding in northern USA central Europe and middle China, meteoroligists have yet to make conclusions about this and we would be better not to jump.  Water conservation is sensible for obvious reasons- especially by stopping burning forest leaf litter. But except for this last point concentration on this issue will be counterproductive for our efforts to hugely reduce fossil fuel use &#8211; here and in industrialised countries.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Athenian Democracy comes to Chiang Mai &#8211; 4:30 pm 8th July 2010 by Ricky Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2010/06/30/athenian-democracy-comes-to-chiang-mai-430-pm-8th-july-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TOPICS  DISCUSSED  IN THE MAYOR’S  MEETING 8 TH JULY 2010
Participants     15 persons  from CSO
20 persons from Municipal Office
The meeting started  16.30 p.m.
The Mayor  gave a speech to welcome all participants and set the ground rule to  speak  5 min per person which  he has started  informing  about what  are  his plan for this year
1.	Put the electrical wire underground  by  August
2.	Project making organic garbage in to fertilizer
3.	Railways park
4.	Improve Chiangmai’s  traffic
5.	Green city
COMMENT FROM PARTICIPANTS
-	Incident of smoke problem during month of Feb-Apr , have to  strengthen  the publicity to  ban burning to the far remote  area as it caused smoke come to the CM  as the valley.
-	Suggestion to improve bus station as it is a gate to enter Chiangmai
Anuwat from Region office of natural resources. Complaint about   pavement and  road condition  are not  facilitate  for pedestrians  anymore many food stall along the street of Suthep and  Hueykeaw road which are the main roads known to visitor.
-	Traffic is very bad caused by too many vehicle/motorbikes and not easy for people to use bicycle.
-	Suggest to collect more fee  to vehicle and put to the community fund
-	Space at Changphuak now is the parking it destroyed scenic beauty of  that area so as a park near Suan Buak Haad
-	Too many festivals in Chiangmai it should be a real Cultural Festival
Dr.. Duangjan from Urban Development institute Foundation
•	Mentioned Global warming causing  the  drought  in this area due to change of Indian monsoon.
•	Ask the people to save water or cut usage of water by half to reserve water to agriculture. What if the dam has no water, so what  the  city will do
•	She recommendedto have other place to hold the meeting as the place is difficult to access and CSO feel discouraged. The Mayor responded that there is no objection  to meeting elsewhere but prefers a  Municipal venue.  Next time  it is going to be here until we came to the consensus to know  to be held
 Mr. Narong Tananuwat,          a  former of chamber of Commerce President
•	The road map of the municipal should coincide which the mission of Chiangmai which aims to belong to the Mekhong area
•	Waste Water Management esp Mae Kha canal
•	Make Chiangmai as  an Eco City or Low Carbon City
•	Security
 
Many people share ideas about  waste water management of Mae Kha canal
	Response from the Mayor suggesting to grow some kind of plants to filter pollution
                To have tax rebate for business who invest in water treatment before its release into canal  (e.g long tail boats)
- The incursion on the old wall near the night Bazzar ( Kampangdin) by big buildings.  How it could happen?
-  The mayor cannot develop the city of Chiangmai alone, have to call people’s participation both physical and spiritutal
-  has comment on city planning &amp; layout that should separate conservation and commercial areas.  And try to discourage people to move out because that will increase crime. 
-	 Many trees were cut  on Ratanakosin Road. There should have no more trees cut
Lot of parks  e.g. Railway park and Rama 9 park were disheveled and dirty. The Mayor’s team responded that those parks are in court due to some conflicts therefore nothing can be done during the trial period.
- 	suggest to organize more systematic way of meeting i.e. agenda distributed in advance,  progress reports, problem information and proposed corrective action.  Grouping of problems
-	suggested  to improve Municipal websites to  become user friendly and more informative and increase communication  between Mayor and Community Ask the  Mayor  to become the leader to express Global warming  Global Crisis to the community, to reduce consumption of fossil fuels and excessive  consumption and to lessen  destruction of natural resources.  How to cope with problem in future?  Educate the community endangered by this crisis.
Next month’s -  Agenda
1.	Klong Mae Kha  management
2.	Traffic  management
Next meeting  13th August 17.00 p.m. at Municipal office

Notes by Punika</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TOPICS  DISCUSSED  IN THE MAYOR’S  MEETING 8 TH JULY 2010<br />
Participants     15 persons  from CSO<br />
20 persons from Municipal Office<br />
The meeting started  16.30 p.m.<br />
The Mayor  gave a speech to welcome all participants and set the ground rule to  speak  5 min per person which  he has started  informing  about what  are  his plan for this year<br />
1.	Put the electrical wire underground  by  August<br />
2.	Project making organic garbage in to fertilizer<br />
3.	Railways park<br />
4.	Improve Chiangmai’s  traffic<br />
5.	Green city<br />
COMMENT FROM PARTICIPANTS<br />
-	Incident of smoke problem during month of Feb-Apr , have to  strengthen  the publicity to  ban burning to the far remote  area as it caused smoke come to the CM  as the valley.<br />
-	Suggestion to improve bus station as it is a gate to enter Chiangmai<br />
Anuwat from Region office of natural resources. Complaint about   pavement and  road condition  are not  facilitate  for pedestrians  anymore many food stall along the street of Suthep and  Hueykeaw road which are the main roads known to visitor.<br />
-	Traffic is very bad caused by too many vehicle/motorbikes and not easy for people to use bicycle.<br />
-	Suggest to collect more fee  to vehicle and put to the community fund<br />
-	Space at Changphuak now is the parking it destroyed scenic beauty of  that area so as a park near Suan Buak Haad<br />
-	Too many festivals in Chiangmai it should be a real Cultural Festival<br />
Dr.. Duangjan from Urban Development institute Foundation<br />
•	Mentioned Global warming causing  the  drought  in this area due to change of Indian monsoon.<br />
•	Ask the people to save water or cut usage of water by half to reserve water to agriculture. What if the dam has no water, so what  the  city will do<br />
•	She recommendedto have other place to hold the meeting as the place is difficult to access and CSO feel discouraged. The Mayor responded that there is no objection  to meeting elsewhere but prefers a  Municipal venue.  Next time  it is going to be here until we came to the consensus to know  to be held<br />
 Mr. Narong Tananuwat,          a  former of chamber of Commerce President<br />
•	The road map of the municipal should coincide which the mission of Chiangmai which aims to belong to the Mekhong area<br />
•	Waste Water Management esp Mae Kha canal<br />
•	Make Chiangmai as  an Eco City or Low Carbon City<br />
•	Security</p>
<p>Many people share ideas about  waste water management of Mae Kha canal<br />
	Response from the Mayor suggesting to grow some kind of plants to filter pollution<br />
                To have tax rebate for business who invest in water treatment before its release into canal  (e.g long tail boats)<br />
- The incursion on the old wall near the night Bazzar ( Kampangdin) by big buildings.  How it could happen?<br />
-  The mayor cannot develop the city of Chiangmai alone, have to call people’s participation both physical and spiritutal<br />
-  has comment on city planning &#038; layout that should separate conservation and commercial areas.  And try to discourage people to move out because that will increase crime.<br />
-	 Many trees were cut  on Ratanakosin Road. There should have no more trees cut<br />
Lot of parks  e.g. Railway park and Rama 9 park were disheveled and dirty. The Mayor’s team responded that those parks are in court due to some conflicts therefore nothing can be done during the trial period.<br />
- 	suggest to organize more systematic way of meeting i.e. agenda distributed in advance,  progress reports, problem information and proposed corrective action.  Grouping of problems<br />
-	suggested  to improve Municipal websites to  become user friendly and more informative and increase communication  between Mayor and Community Ask the  Mayor  to become the leader to express Global warming  Global Crisis to the community, to reduce consumption of fossil fuels and excessive  consumption and to lessen  destruction of natural resources.  How to cope with problem in future?  Educate the community endangered by this crisis.<br />
Next month’s &#8211;  Agenda<br />
1.	Klong Mae Kha  management<br />
2.	Traffic  management<br />
Next meeting  13th August 17.00 p.m. at Municipal office</p>
<p>Notes by Punika</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burma &#8211; Best Friend Library, Wanting to help or considering a visit to Burma? by Ricky Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2010/06/30/burma-best-friend-library-wanting-to-help-or-considering-a-visit-to-burma/comment-page-1/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am presently reading:
Inge Sargent   Twilight over Burma: My Life as a Shan Princess   E025

set in the 1950&#039;s &amp; 60&#039;s most enjoyable true tale by an Austrian woman who married a humble mining engineeer only to discover...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am presently reading:<br />
Inge Sargent   Twilight over Burma: My Life as a Shan Princess   E025</p>
<p>set in the 1950&#8217;s &#038; 60&#8217;s most enjoyable true tale by an Austrian woman who married a humble mining engineeer only to discover&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient Forest Under Threat &#8211; Mae Taeng, Chiang Mai by Ricky Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2010/06/05/ancient-forest-under-threat-mae-taeng-chiang-mai/comment-page-1/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently Chiang Mai city has German consultants GTZ working on clean air with a hotel meeting this Tuesday 15th June.
Perhaps people can take this problem there for discussion?
Contact Tessaban Nakhorn Chiang Mai for details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently Chiang Mai city has German consultants GTZ working on clean air with a hotel meeting this Tuesday 15th June.<br />
Perhaps people can take this problem there for discussion?<br />
Contact Tessaban Nakhorn Chiang Mai for details.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient Forest Under Threat &#8211; Mae Taeng, Chiang Mai by thaiatheart</title>
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		<dc:creator>thaiatheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, how DO we change this?  Does anyone have an idea? Janet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, how DO we change this?  Does anyone have an idea? Janet</p>
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