Comments on: Climate Change, Limits to Growth, and the Imperative for Socialism – Minqi Li http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2009/09/27/climate-change-limits-to-growth-and-the-imperative-for-socialism-minqi-li/ Leave the world a better place Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:30:27 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ricky Ward http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2009/09/27/climate-change-limits-to-growth-and-the-imperative-for-socialism-minqi-li/comment-page-1/#comment-53 Ricky Ward Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:40:48 +0000 http://www.ourchiangmai.com/?p=338#comment-53 A related paper which draws similar conclusions about the present social paradigm's inability to deal with the crisis is in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society entitled: 'Reframing the climate change challenge in light of post-2000 emission trends' by Kevin Anderson and Alice Bows. A related paper which draws similar conclusions about the present social paradigm’s inability to deal with the crisis is in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society entitled: ‘Reframing the climate change challenge in light of post-2000 emission trends’ by Kevin Anderson and Alice Bows.

]]> By: Ricky Ward http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2009/09/27/climate-change-limits-to-growth-and-the-imperative-for-socialism-minqi-li/comment-page-1/#comment-42 Ricky Ward Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:27:39 +0000 http://www.ourchiangmai.com/?p=338#comment-42 Dear Ricky Ward: Many thanks for your interest in my work. In fact, now there are many socialist activists in China working for a potential social transformation. If you're interested, may I refer you to my book "The Rise of China and the Demise of the Capitalist World Economy" published earlier this year (by Pluto Press and Monthly Review Press). It includes discussions on some issues you may be intereted in. best regards, Minqi Li Dear Ricky Ward:

Many thanks for your interest in my work. In fact, now there are many socialist activists in China working for a potential social transformation.
If you’re interested, may I refer you to my book “The Rise of China and the Demise of the Capitalist World Economy” published earlier this year (by Pluto Press and Monthly Review Press). It includes discussions on some issues you may be intereted in.

best regards,

Minqi Li

]]> By: Alan Bull http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2009/09/27/climate-change-limits-to-growth-and-the-imperative-for-socialism-minqi-li/comment-page-1/#comment-41 Alan Bull Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:57:42 +0000 http://www.ourchiangmai.com/?p=338#comment-41 People will not change their lifestyle, will not stop consuming so much unless they are directly affected by climate change. In many ways we all need to be led by example, this relies on those in the public domain to change their ways first - which is a slow process. I can see only one solution, which is for all countries worldwide to introduce a new type of currency for every person on the planet, a carbon currency, whereby each of us works to earn not only cash but carbon credits. Everything we buy then comes with a monetary cost as well as a carbon cost. We are then forced to live within our means. Of course, carbon trading will obviously take place and would need to be monitored and regulated. Whilst this is a great idea (not my own), could this actually work in practice? be in place quickly enough? and could we really get all governments worldwide to sign-up to the scheme? People will not change their lifestyle, will not stop consuming so much unless they are directly affected by climate change.

In many ways we all need to be led by example, this relies on those in the public domain to change their ways first – which is a slow process.

I can see only one solution, which is for all countries worldwide to introduce a new type of currency for every person on the planet, a carbon currency, whereby each of us works to earn not only cash but carbon credits. Everything we buy then comes with a monetary cost as well as a carbon cost. We are then forced to live within our means.

Of course, carbon trading will obviously take place and would need to be monitored and regulated.

Whilst this is a great idea (not my own), could this actually work in practice? be in place quickly enough? and could we really get all governments worldwide to sign-up to the scheme?

]]> By: Ricky Ward http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2009/09/27/climate-change-limits-to-growth-and-the-imperative-for-socialism-minqi-li/comment-page-1/#comment-40 Ricky Ward Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:42:55 +0000 http://www.ourchiangmai.com/?p=338#comment-40 I agree with your comment Dr Nirandorn about sufficient living. The trouble here is that this philosophy seems only to be applied to some small farmers. Agri-business (e.g. CP) and other sectors are excluded and need to be socialized. I like the example of the Buddha giving up all his wealth to find peace. How can we find ways for the mega rich in our country to follow this example at least to the point of adopting non-Hi-So lifestyles? Many here in ChiangMai want Khun Thaksin to return to rule. If he were to hand the rest of his still considerable wealth to the people and reject the fallacy of "Economic Growth is Good" perhaps that might now be a bad thing. Does any body have his phone no? Ricky I agree with your comment Dr Nirandorn about sufficient living.
The trouble here is that this philosophy seems only to be applied to some
small farmers. Agri-business (e.g. CP) and other sectors are excluded
and need to be socialized. I like the example of the Buddha giving up all
his wealth to find peace. How can we find ways for the mega rich in our
country to follow this example at least to the point of adopting non-Hi-So
lifestyles?
Many here in ChiangMai want Khun Thaksin to return to rule. If he were to hand
the rest of his still considerable wealth to the people and reject the fallacy
of “Economic Growth is Good” perhaps that might now be a bad thing.
Does any body have his phone no?

Ricky

]]> By: Ricky Ward http://www.ourchiangmai.com/2009/09/27/climate-change-limits-to-growth-and-the-imperative-for-socialism-minqi-li/comment-page-1/#comment-39 Ricky Ward Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:39:26 +0000 http://www.ourchiangmai.com/?p=338#comment-39 From: nirandornp@hotmail.com To: Subject: RE: Climate Change, Limits to Growth, and the Imperative for Socialism Minqi Li - excerpts & links Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:58:21 +0000 The article with it's suggestion corresponds well with sufficient way of living. Nirandorn From: nirandornp@hotmail.com
To:
Subject: RE: Climate Change, Limits to Growth, and the Imperative for Socialism Minqi Li – excerpts & links
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:58:21 +0000

The article with it’s suggestion corresponds well with sufficient way of living.
Nirandorn

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